{"id":338,"date":"2018-11-22T08:58:23","date_gmt":"2018-11-22T08:58:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/?p=338"},"modified":"2023-01-19T17:42:06","modified_gmt":"2023-01-19T17:42:06","slug":"i-was-born-poor-and-i-will-die-poor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/2018\/11\/22\/i-was-born-poor-and-i-will-die-poor\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;I was born poor, and I will die poor&#8221;: Reflections on disability, ill health and poverty in the age of Universal Credit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-343 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Foodbank-background-image-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Foodbank-background-image-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Foodbank-background-image-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Foodbank-background-image-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Foodbank-background-image-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This Disability History Month, Silvie Fisch, di<\/em><em>rector of <a href=\"https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/northernculturalprojects\/\">Northern Cultural Projects<\/a>&nbsp;and associate researcher with the Oral History Unit &amp; Collective, shares some of the stories she heard during our <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/2018\/11\/08\/foodbank-histories-meets-the-united-nations\/\">Foodbank Histories<\/a> project and reflects on the interconnections between disability, ill health and poverty in the age of Universal Credit.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><!--more-->A <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gateshead.gov.uk\/media\/10665\/The-impact-of-the-roll-out-of-Universal-Credit-in-two-North-East-England-localities-a-qualitative-study-November-2018\/pdf\/Universal_Credit_Report_2018pdf.pdf?m=636778831081630000\">new report on Universal Credit (UC)<\/a> in Gateshead and Newcastle published by Teesside and Newcastle Universities and Gateshead City Council concludes that it is not fit for purpose for physically disabled people, people with mental health problems and illnesses, and people with chronic health conditions.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cUC adversely affected claimant\u2019s financial security, physical and mental health, social and family lives and employment prospects. Managing the UC claims process and increased conditionality, combined with the threat of sanctions, exacerbated long term health conditions and impacted so negatively on participant\u2019s mental health that some had considered suicide.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It is not the first time the current benefit system and its effects on the most vulnerable in our society has been scrutinised by academic studies. Earlier findings included that the Work Capability Assessment experience caused a deterioration in people\u2019s mental health which individuals did not recover from.<\/p>\n<p>(See Scotland&#8217;s Heriot-Watt and Napier Universities, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.advocard.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/2017-02-Heriot-Watt-Mental-Health-Report-on-WCA.pdf\">Mental Health and Unemployment in Scotland:&nbsp; Understanding the impact of welfare reforms in Scotland for individuals with mental health conditions<\/a>, Edinburgh 2017)<\/p>\n<p>The usual response by the Department for&nbsp;Work and Pensions to these qualitative research studies is to dismiss them as not statistically significant. But once the findings add up, they are less easy to dismiss, each one reinforcing a growing body of research evidence.<\/p>\n<p>At the same time as the Gateshead study was published, the United Nations&nbsp;Special Rapporteur&nbsp;on extreme&nbsp;poverty&nbsp;and human rights, Philip Alston, produced his<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ohchr.org\/EN\/NewsEvents\/Pages\/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=23881&amp;LangID=E\"> interim report<\/a> of the impact of austerity in the UK, based on evidence he had collected during his two-week tour of the country\u2019s poorest areas. &nbsp;The report states that the costs of austerity have fallen disproportionately upon the poor, women, racial and ethnic minorities, children, single parents, and people with disabilities.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAs a result of changes to benefits and taxes since 2010, some families with disabilities are projected to lose \u00a311,000 on average by 2021\/22, more than 30% of their annual net income. People with disabilities told me again and again about benefits assessments that were superficial and dismissive, and that led to findings that contradicted the advice of their doctor.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The majority of <a href=\"https:\/\/newcastlewestend.foodbank.org.uk\/\">Newcastle West End Foodbank<\/a> clients (and many volunteers) we interviewed as part of our Foodbank Histories project mentioned long-term physical, often complex health problems. For many it\u2019s even a struggle to get to the foodbank, often due to mobility or financial problems. They told us about their struggles with a punitive and difficult to navigate welfare system that, instead of making their lives easier, leaves them to deal with payment delays and sanctions that lead to debt, hunger and sometimes homelessness.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve been put on Universal Credit, monthly, it\u2019s hard. It\u2019s horrible being on that like. There\u2019s a few people I know that are struggling like mad. It can take up to six or eight weeks before your money starts coming in properly. The landlord gets the rent straight to him, I\u2019m glad of that. My upstairs neighbour, she fell behind at her end, and the landlord kicked her out, and she had three young children. She was that canny and all.\u201d (Deborah)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt got worse very recently because I attempted a phased return into work. So I was managing to do part time work, and as a result I earned too much money, about \u00a3900. They work a month behind. The 15th of last month I got \u00a3399 from work, and they wouldn\u2019t allow me any other help. So I can\u2019t even pay my rent. I had to ask my landlady to split my rent over two months, and because I have further issues now with benefits I\u2019m still not going to be able to pay it next month when I agreed I would.\u201d (Claire)<\/p>\n<p>People revealed how they were wrongly declared \u2018fit for work\u2019, had their payments cut or removed and waited unacceptably long times for an appeal.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI live on \u00a3140 a fortnight. I\u2019m not able to work. I wished. I was working seven years ago. But I\u2019ve got loads of things on. I rarely leave the house. I\u2019m on a lot of medication. I\u2019ve got OCPD in me lungs, kidney failure, microscopic colitis in me small bowel, me spine\u2019s narrow and it\u2019s knocking the discs out on the top, and depression, and now they think there\u2019s a tumor behind me eye. I\u2019m waiting for an appeal hearing. A year I\u2019ve had to wait for the hearing. I\u2019ve struggled for a year.\u201d (Elisabeth)<\/p>\n<p>Capability tests, poor-quality assessments, long waiting times, incorrect decisions (and the list goes on) \u2013 all factors that fuel mental health conditions such as anxiety and depression. While the physical health conditions people mentioned were pre-existing, most interviewees saw a connection between their mental health problems and the problems they encountered within the welfare system. Sometimes, mental and physical health are interconnected.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m already making debt by being poorly. The only advice I got was why don\u2019t you take up a loan. Well that\u2019s going to put the country in better standards, isn\u2019t it, if we\u2019re all taking up loans, just to survive when you\u2019re poorly. I\u2019ve had to be referred to counselling and I\u2019m going to be starting CBT, because it\u2019s bad enough with the pain anyway, I\u2019m constantly in pain, I don\u2019t need this on top, and any stress makes my condition worse. So by them treating me in this way, it\u2019s what\u2019s keeping me off work longer, because I\u2019ve got too much pressure on my shoulders, and I have to learn to cope with the pain on its own anyway. So it\u2019s just a case of, if you don\u2019t laugh, you\u2019ve gotta cry.\u201d (Claire)<\/p>\n<p>Commonly, men talked to us about their struggles with depression and loneliness. In everyday life, nobody ever cared to ask how they felt or coped. Almost all of them mention life changing experiences, such as bereavements.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was pretty successful once. And now I\u2019m not. [starts crying] Anyways, I met my girlfriend when I was 19\u2026 and she just died a couple of year ago. And this is how I\u2019m in this predicament where I am in this foodbank. And I was with her for 20 years and I\u2019ve got two children to her. She died of severe lung infection. I walked in holding her hand into the hospital, she says I don\u2019t feel well, and then they put her into a coma and she didn\u2019t come out. She\u2019d only just turned 36.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd I did actually propose on her birthday, well I didn\u2019t know she was bad\u2026 it was weird. Well anyway, after that, I lost me job, cause I had to look after the kids. And now they put me on this bloody Universal Credit, I still haven\u2019t been paid for 12 weeks, that\u2019s a long time and this is why I\u2019m here.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI couldn\u2019t go back to welding, cause I was drinking a bit too much then, I couldn\u2019t hold a welding torch. And I\u2019ve been to the doctor\u2019s and stuff. I\u2019ve started to calm it down a bit, yeah. I\u2019m still drinking. My mum calls us a functioning alcoholic. It\u2019s just a sad story, isn\u2019t it. It\u2019s the truth.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis place has really helped us. I like it. At least I\u2019m getting hot meals, you know what I mean. I\u2019ve lost three stone since my girlfriend died. Cause I didn\u2019t eat, I was feeding the kids you know, like I say, I was a big drunk, you know what I mean. It was horrible. Then my friend introduced us to this place, he says, Lee you need to start eating.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe Universal Credit has fucked my life up even more. Waiting to get paid, as I said I only had one emergency payment in twelve weeks, and that was at the beginning. And this is why I have to keep coming here, because I can\u2019t afford any food. The food parcels are ok. It\u2019s less than what we got last year, but I understand that, because there\u2019s a high demand.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI could imagine the whole of the world going through the same problem I am, but there\u2019s no one there to help you. I went to the doctors, and they don\u2019t help. As I said my friend told us to come here, that\u2019s the next best thing I suppose [laughs]. At least you get to talk to people and stuff, you know what I mean, who aren\u2019t my family.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey are a huge family, but I don\u2019t know\u2026 I don\u2019t know, they don\u2019t seem to help. Erm, lots of love and stuff, you know what I mean. But they\u2019ve got their own families, I understand it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s been four year, it\u2019s getting us down and down and down, you know what I mean, day by day. I don\u2019t know, I\u2019ve just been through the mill a bit. But like I say, I\u2019m not unique.\u201d (Lee)<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_342\" style=\"width: 235px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-342\" class=\"wp-image-342 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Keith-Hutchinson-e1542876950948-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Keith-Hutchinson-e1542876950948-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/files\/2018\/11\/Keith-Hutchinson-e1542876950948.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-342\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Keith shared his story of intergenerational poverty. He is helping the Newcastle West End Foodbank establish a garden.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Most of the stories we heard showed a correlation between ill health and disability &#8212; physical and mental &#8212; and poverty. This experience of poverty, lack of opportunity and equality is not something that has just hit people for the first time in their lives. The North East of England has been disproportionally badly affected by privatisation and austerity measures for decades. Intergenerational poverty rules. At the West End Foodbank, the largest in the country, it is common to see three generations sharing a meal, with elderly clients talking about their own parent\u2019s poverty.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was brought up on foodbanks. Me mum brought us up a single parent, the best way she could. Me mother was very poor. She used to get a tick every day of the local shop and paid it on a Monday when she got paid. She liked her tabs, she only got five tabs a day. But we had all the cheap stuff. We didn\u2019t have butter, it was all margarine and things like that, but we got free school dinners, that was a good one. (\u2026) I was born poor, and I will die poor.\u201d (Keith)<\/p>\n<p>We also heard a lot about people\u2019s hopes, dreams and ambitions. How they wanted to become police (wo)men, teachers, hairdressers, nannies. Most of them got crushed before they reached adulthood. Generations of people were deprived of a decent life. And no matter how hard they try, they now find it impossible to take control of their situation.<\/p>\n<p><em>Silvie Fisch is the founder and director of Northern Cultural Projects and associate researcher with the Oral History Unit &amp; Collective. She has many years\u2019 experience in disability arts &#8211; NCP began life as Disability Cultural Projects. Silvie passionately believes in the power of culture to enhance the quality of life of vulnerable and disadvantaged people and communities.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This Disability History Month, Silvie Fisch, director of Northern Cultural Projects&nbsp;and associate researcher with the Oral History Unit &amp; Collective, shares some of the stories she heard during our Foodbank Histories project and reflects on the interconnections between disability, ill &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/2018\/11\/22\/i-was-born-poor-and-i-will-die-poor\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7433,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,166],"tags":[183,192,57,54,58,127,82,17,13,53,55,56],"class_list":["post-338","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-research","category-think-piece","tag-british-history","tag-cultural-history","tag-disability","tag-foodbank","tag-health","tag-local-history","tag-newcastle","tag-oral-history","tag-oral-history-exhibition","tag-partnership-working","tag-poverty","tag-universal-credit"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/338","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7433"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=338"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/338\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":841,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/338\/revisions\/841"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=338"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=338"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.ncl.ac.uk\/oral-history\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=338"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}